BlackBox Framework Center

We have some options with front page of project:
- O3-based BlackBox web-site (nginx proxy allows this on our VPS)
- WordPress based site with Center members blogging ability (many people knows how to manage that CMS)
- Our Wiki can be the only web-site (in that case i will move it in the front and put all information at the front page of wiki)
- Tribiq web-site (allows to make really multilingual international web-site which is easy to manage)
- Simple HTML managed by me

personally think that O3 is a great thing, and I really like what Werner did, but working with it for a basic site, not an application, is more effort than is warranted. It's like driving a Ferrari in 30km/h zones only. The only reason to do this would be as kind of proof of concept, to show that blackbox is able to do it. We'd need someone with CSS abilities to make it beautiful, though. O3 is a web application server, and as of now, I do not see us having a web application here.

Simple HTML would not be my choice, since this leaves the handling in the hands of one, and it is not as easy to use.

Tribiq I know nothing about.

Wiki is great, but not a CMS, and I think that's what we need.

So I opt for a CMS. Wordpress is fine, there are others, too. I have experience with some, but most experience with WordPress.

I do not have an option to add here, and I think you described the options quite well, I would be ready to vote upon this, or to discuss the options you brought a bit, if the members need more discussion.

Do anybody more think that we can vote about this question?

Ivan Denisov wrote:We have some options with front page of project:
- O3-based BlackBox web-site (nginx proxy allows this on our VPS)
- WordPress based site with Center members blogging ability (many people knows how to manage that CMS)
- Our Wiki can be the only web-site (in that case i will move it in the front and put all information at the front page of wiki)
- Tribiq web-site (allows to make really multilingual international web-site which is easy to manage)
- Simple HTML managed by me

What problem are you trying to solve?
What do you mean by 'front page'? Do you mean the first page a user sees when he accesses the BlackBox Framework Center?
If so what is it that you want to do about that page?
Is 'WordPress' restricted to writing Blogs or does it do more than that?

"Tribiq designs unique, quality websites at affordable prices. We will make your site look great on mobiles, tablets and desktops. We build simple sites that are easy to manage, up to large multiple language sites."

Well that is nice but you will get yet another layer of software and people between you and what you wish to display. Multiple human language presentations is important.


"A content management system (CMS)[1][2][3] is a computer program that allows publishing, editing and modifying content as well as maintenance from a central interface. Such systems of content management provide procedures to manage workflow in a collaborative environment.[4] These procedures can be manual steps or an automated cascade. CMSs have been available since the late 1990s."

What do you actually get from such a system? What are the benefits? What are the down falls?

Wikis are good but only as good as the information in them.

Basically, a CMS solves the following things:

1) Providing versioning to website design
2) Giving write access for a website to a group of people who do not necessarily know HTML.
3) Building structures of websites that are easy to maintain.

WordPress can be used for blogging, and for website maintenance.

I think that before we decide on the technique and tool used to maintain the website, we'd need a concept of the website. I would therefore propose that we build teams. Someone is responsible for the website, someone else for the issue tracker someone else for bug identification and fixing and so on. THis someone takes the lead on those issues, and whoever feels able to contribute becomes part of the team. Then the teams discuss their topic, and come up with a proposal for the center to vote on.

I propose this because I do not think that each and every center member will ever do the website maintenance, and so it is unreasonable that someone who will not do the actual work should discuss the whole thing. But those who feel able and willing to do it, they should discuss and then propose their results. The others then can read up on the discussion of the website team to form an opinion to vote.

DGDanforth wrote:What problem are you trying to solve?

Give full information about Center and make BlackBox and information about it more available. I want that each Center member have access to edit the web-site pages and fill them with Examples, descriptions of subsystems and so on.

DGDanforth wrote:What do you mean by 'front page'? Do you mean the first page a user sees when he accesses the BlackBox Framework Center?

Yes. http://blackboxframework.org

DGDanforth wrote:If so what is it that you want to do about that page?
Is 'WordPress' restricted to writing Blogs or does it do more than that?

No, the WordPress do not require to make a blog. It can be used for maintaining the static pages with content.

DGDanforth wrote:"Tribiq designs unique, quality websites at affordable prices. We will make your site look great on mobiles, tablets and desktops. We build simple sites that are easy to manage, up to large multiple language sites."

Well that is nice but you will get yet another layer of software and people between you and what you wish to display. Multiple human language presentations is important.

No. Tribiq give their code like WordPress for free and we can install it in our VPS. There will be no people between our web-site and us. Tribiq is more lightweight and easy to use than Wordpress according to my experience.

DGDanforth wrote:"A content management system (CMS)[1][2][3] is a computer program that allows publishing, editing and modifying content as well as maintenance from a central interface. Such systems of content management provide procedures to manage workflow in a collaborative environment.[4] These procedures can be manual steps or an automated cascade. CMSs have been available since the late 1990s."

What do you actually get from such a system? What are the benefits? What are the down falls?

As Rene said, any can edit this without knowing HTML and PHP. Pages of CMS web-site looks have similar style and we can choose free and well-fit theme made by professional designers.

DGDanforth wrote:Wikis are good but only as good as the information in them.

I agree.

Ivan,
Thank you.
-Doug

I wants multi-language web-site, so Tribiq is better choice from my point of view.
http://tribiq.com/multi-lingual-websites,en-gb

I have experience with Typo3 and with WordPress.

If one has a simple site with lots of blogging, Wordpress is better than Typo3. If one has a complex site, and blogging is not the issue, Typo3 is by far better. It is far more tedious to create and maintain a complex website with Wordpress than with Typo3. Thus, I'd like to throw in Typo3 as an option.

I have no experience with tribiq.

For Tribiq, the main thing is multilanguage websites. I do not know how easy to use tribiq is, and how it really handles complex websites.

I tried to have a look at the tribiq.demo, but I can't get it running. Will try from a different computer. Basically, each system has its own specialty. For Wordpress, it is blogging. Website management is just the second best thing. For instance, having a website content tree in the tool (for editing purposes) and navigating it easily is not standard. For Typo3 it is website management, and blogging is an add-on, I think.

But I found a comparison between typo3, tribiq and WordPress.

Besides of the question of the "best tool for our purpose" (and I am not sure we know what purpose the website currently has, aside from hosting a wiki as a manual, a repository, a bugtracker and a forum. So we do not know with which tool we could reach that purpose best), I think it is important to know who would add website contents. If is Ivan alone, then whatever Ivan wants should be favored . But the more people can handle any product the better. And if others have the experience and want to do something, we should not only look at what is the best system, but also at what they are comfortable with or can handle. So, aside from "what is the best product" and "what does Ivan want" (no offense meant by this, Ivan), we should, in the spirit of Oberon, think of "what is most maintainable".

Based on the comparison tables it appears to me that Typo3 is the hands down favorite.
-Doug