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We need to vote here:
- do we need to make validation in Utf8ToString according UTF-8 standard and can mark it for public usage
- we do not need to make validation in Utf8ToString and will use this procedure internally or mark it as unsafe in documentation

Josef Templ wrote:Ivan, please keep it simple. You are inventing problems that don't exist.
Our Utf-8 converters convert any 'Valid' Component-Pascal string into Utf-8 AND back.
In Component Pascal a string is valid if it is 0X terminated.
Since Component-Pascal does not restrict the character codes, why should the Utf-8 converter?
With your approach you end up for some strings in a legal StringToUtf8 conversion that
cannot be converted back by Utf8ToString. This is really strange
and the alternative is so obvious and so simple.

It is possible case, that we will use such converter internally in Kernel without validity checking for better speed. But in Strings will provide the full Alexander version of converter. However I sure that difference in speed in total will be very small.

Also Josef, you said "The hackers are very smart." 12 Aug 2014.
Please, read this: http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr36/#UTF-8_Exploit

Zinn and Josef, please look at the table 3-7 here:
http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode7.0.0/ch03.pdf

Ivan,
It appears that a simple case statement would implement that table, right?

DGDanforth wrote:Ivan,
It appears that a simple case statement would implement that table, right?

Case statements with simple "state machine":
http://forum.oberoncore.ru/viewtopic.ph ... 92b#p89571

> - Format errors inside identifier does not occur

If you decode a string that has been written by BB 1.6 into a symbol or object file
you may get a format error. Such a situation is possible and must be covered by the decoder.
Helmut, your approach is too simple; Ivan's approach is too complex.
My approach is exactly in between.
That approach detects format errors but does not care about the contents,
i.e. it treats all 16-bit characters codes as legal in the same way as Component Pascal does it.
It is so obvious that it is hard to believe for me that there is any discussion about it.

- Josef

I incorporate last Helmut bugfix into branch #19.

This also led to extinction of the building pipeline bug about appendingProperties in System/Strings.odc and in About dialog.

You can test new version here:
blackbox-1.7-a1.025.zip
blackbox-1.7-a1.025-setup.exe

Also I removed forced SHORTCHAR to CHAR converstion in a case of return 2 ("decode incomplete or error").

Josef, Helmut, Doug and others, can we make the vote now?

Josef Templ wrote:> - Format errors inside identifier does not occur

If you decode a string that has been written by BB 1.6 into a symbol or object file
you may get a format error. Such a situation is possible and must be covered by the decoder.
Helmut, your approach is too simple; Ivan's approach is too complex.
My approach is exactly in between.
That approach detects format errors but does not care about the contents,
i.e. it treats all 16-bit characters codes as legal in the same way as Component Pascal does it.
It is so obvious that it is hard to believe for me that there is any discussion about it.

- Josef

Josef, if you will use it internally there will be no problem. But you want to transfer this to Strings and people will use it for many purposes.
Again, we should led the Unicode standard. I have found the table with well formed UTF-8. Alexander made some effort. I do not understand, why you do not like the single working algorithm?

Ivan Denisov wrote:Josef, Helmut, Doug and others, can we make the vote now?

I'd like to here more from Josef on the issue before we vote.