BlackBox Framework Center

Ivan Denisov wrote: I am not such sure. I am also the part of the community and I need forum. I know many people who prefer to use forums.

So does this come down to a cultural issue?
It appears to me that the majority of the English speakers using [BlackBox] want email and don't like forums
(Wojtek Skulski, Stan Warford, Rene Krywult, Robert Campbell, Bernhard Tweutwein, Bob Walkden, Doug Danforth,..).
Whereas you seem to be saying that without the Russian forum you would not have learned of or us used
BlackBox.

I can understand that but I don't want to force the English community to use a forum.

I have used email since 1972 as a graduate student at Stanford University which was one of the first sites on the ARPANET. I have vast collections of emails saved and archived.
I currently have about 200 folders in my Mozilla Thunderbird for email storage. Many of the folders have sub folders. I do everything by email.

The only forums that I use are BlackBoxFramework and TheEEStory (about supercapacitors). I certainly would not force my family (brother, sister, son, daughter) to communicate with me using a forum. That would just be ridiculous.

So if you need a forum then fine.
Please don't force others to use it.

-Doug

Ivan,
you distinguisch between forum (http://forum.blackboxframework.org/) and community (http://community.blackboxframework.org/). I can't login at the community. Is that the reasen that there is no new post and questions not answered?
- Helmut

Zinn wrote:Ivan,
you distinguisch between forum (http://forum.blackboxframework.org/) and community (http://community.blackboxframework.org/). I can't login at the community. Is that the reasen that there is no new post and questions not answered?
- Helmut

Helmut, as I can see, you are not registered there:
http://community.blackboxframework.org/memberlist.php
This are two separate forums.
All questions in the forum have answers. However you are right, there is low activity in the Community Forum at current moment.

DGDanforth wrote:

Ivan Denisov wrote: I am not such sure. I am also the part of the community and I need forum. I know many people who prefer to use forums.

So does this come down to a cultural issue?

I do not think that it depends much from culture.

However for begginners forum is much more comfortable. I could not imagin that somebody can write in mailing list the begginners questions.

The Google Group and Community forum. Is that not enouth?

Ivan Denisov wrote: The Google Group and Community forum. Is that not enouth?

Instead of Google Group I request that you install LISTSERV Lite Free on our server.

Marc Frei wrote:Hi Doug,

for BlackBox, we are currently using the free edition for LISTSERV Lite from L-Soft:

http://www.lsoft.com/download/listservfree.asp

(If we want archiving that will cost money).

-Doug

LISTSERV will work for sure. We do not need to make experiments with this. So, please, make simple voting about this decision and if Center members decide that it is necessary to install LISTSERV and run such service, I will install it.

Ivan Denisov wrote:LISTSERV will work for sure. We do not need to make experiments with this. So, please, make simple voting about this decision and if Center members decide that it is necessary to install LISTSERV and run such service, I will install it.

Ivan,
I have wiffled and waffled back and forth on what mailing list to use. My apologies to all.
I am reconsidering the use of free LISTSERV Lite because it does not have archiving.
Re investigating Google Groups shows that I did indeed check the box to include archiving of mail for the group.

Also, Oleg N. Cher just sent a message to ETHZ saying

Oleg N. Cher wrote:And recently "Oberon microsystems AG" announced the termination of the
BlackBox Mailing List, and I am afraid that it is a serious blow to the
centralized communications for all BlackBox developers. They immediately
began arguing - where exactly and how best to organize the mailing list.

This must inevitably lead to the fragmentation of the community, because
members are not able to trust enough authority of the mail list of one
of them. And I believe, ETH is the greatest authority in matters of
Oberon technologies.

I turn to the heart of the matter. If you have the opportunity, I would
like to ask you to make a new mailing list for all BlackBox developers
at your server. They don't want "common" list on all implementation of
Oberon. They want exactly the mailing list on BlackBox only.


And I have one more request to you. I would like to read and write a
another mailing list on Oberon technologies in Russian language. It
would be very convenient for me and my friends from "VEDAsoft Oberon
Club" - http://zx.oberon2.ru

Email me, if it's possible with your help.

Thank you very much!

So now we have a bit of a image problem. I created that by broadcasting my concerns to [BlackBox] so
I take full responsibility for that.

I need to clean this up. Let's at least get our house in order.
I will make a vote with two options: Google Group or LISTSERV.

-Doug

DGDanforth wrote:I will make a vote with two options: Google Group or LISTSERV.

This is in addition to the existing forums I hope?

cfbsoftware wrote:

DGDanforth wrote:I will make a vote with two options: Google Group or LISTSERV.

This is in addition to the existing forums I hope?

Yes, indeed!

Thanks to Chris for replying to my "Jargon Buster" request.
I suspect that experienced forum users do not require precise language; they easily understand from context what is meant.

However, as a beginner, I find it confusing; maybe other people do to.

My current understanding of the taxonomy on this site is:

Board : Top level. Examples are BlackBox Framework Centre & BlackBox Component Builder Forums (& Astrobe ?)

Forum: - 1 level down. Eg "Voting & General Discussion"

Sub-forum: Next level down. Eg "Discussion"

Topic: Next level down. Eg Communications.

Post: Next level down. Eg this.

Thread: Does not seem to be used.

I have found out how to see what Forums & Topics I get emails about, and how to turn these off.
I have not found a corresponding list of things I do not get emails about, and how to turn these on.
Can you subscribe/unsubscribe at the Sub-forum level?


Slight change of topic. I thought Doug did some experiments in which when he posted stuff here, the content of the post was included
in the notification of activity email. Now he is saying this facility is only available after developing costly new software. Has something changed?

I also don't understand Doug's phrase "Google Group now exists as the group BlackboxFramework". Can someone explain what this implies a bit better please.

Thanks

Robert