issue-#113 XhtmlExporter bug with StdLinks.Target

[Josef Templ]

Point 1: Add HtmlTags

- Helmut

We don't need HtmlTags.
For supporting arbitrary views in XhtmlExporter we would need a more generic concept
for html conversion of embedded views. This is beyond the scope of this issue
and beyond the scope of 1.7.

- Josef

[Josef Templ]

@Ivan: the default paragraph margins are currently defined in pixels (px).
I think, it should be specified in typographical points (pt) or some other fixed unit.
Then it is displayed the same on all output devices.

The question is if we need this specification at all after supporting the paragraph lead attribute.
Well, my experiments show that BB introduces some top margin even if the paragraph lead is 0.
This default space amounts to a top margin of about 3pt.
So, in order to be be precise, the top margin should be set to 3pt
(p { margin-top: 3pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; }) and any lead > 0 should add 3pt (in BeginPara).
Note, if the margin around a paragraph is split into top and bottom margin then the sums of the margins
are not preserved compared to the BB text.

Again, @Helmut, the goal must be to preserve the visual appearance of a BB text as good as possible.
It cannot be our goal to introduce some fancy reformatting that is outside the control of the text author.

@Ivan, there is also the question if a semicolon is missing after the margin-bottom specification.

- Josef

[Zinn]

Point 2: Translate <br/><br/> to </p><p> In other words have only one <br/>. Sequences of new lines change to <p> </p>

- Helmut

This is wrong. Keep the text as it is.
Why in the world should we want to modify the text while we convert it to html?
A line break is a line break and a paragraph is a paragraph.

- Josef

And a rose is a rose.
Anyway the translation of the current version is still wrong.
The only right way is to use paragraph always and not line break. in the original version (1.6) it was done in this right way.
After define
<style type="text/css">
p { margin-top: 1px; margin-bottom: 1px }
</style>
the result looks like the BB text.
-Helmut

[Ivan Denisov]

Helmut, the original version was very buggy, so the reference to it is not an argument.

The Text in BlackBox has both paragraphs and newlines so in the model of XHTML is reasonable also to have both such items.

pt is better than px for the reasons which were given by Josef.

There is new version with pt and missed semicolon.
http://blackboxframework.org/unstable/i ... b1.543.zip

[Zinn]

Helmut, the original version was very buggy

yes, that is true, but the original version has not the <br /> error. I say it the last time again: We have to use paragraph and not line break. Otherwise your very good solution is buggy. Without the <br/> error this topic is ready to vote.

Here is my solution based on your version 543.zip without the <br /> error.

- Helmut

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[Josef Templ]

Helmut, instead of repeating your personal opinion (with respect to the line breaks),
PLEASE tell us WHY you believe it is better.
May be I have missed it, but I cannot remember any argument.

I have given a convincing argument (preserve the visual appearance
of the original BB document) but you seem to ignore it.
This is not very productive.

In the past such situations always turned out to be misunderstandings.
Or may be you try to solve a problem that is unknown to me such as being compatible
to the Html package or something else. If this is the case, tell us about the
problem you want to solve, not the solution.

- Josef

[Josef Templ]

There is another open issue with the changes in XhtmlStdFileWriters.
The short story: would be better not to have those changes.

I will give you the details when I am back on Monday morning.
It would be nice if you could wait with voting or merging until Monday.

- Josef

[Ivan Denisov]

There is no hurry with that issue, we can wait until Monday and until all arguments will be clear.

[Zinn]

Is it possible to preserve empty lines somehow? Yes, use <p>&nbsp;</p>
Wouldn't <br /> be an option? No, not for empty lines. <br /> should be avoid in XHTML whenever it is possible.
This answer was a recommendation of W3C over 10 years ago. But the original websites (url) disappears and I can't find this topic in the new one.

There should be one change only in StdFileWriters procedure EndTag:

Code: Select all

		IF (wr.current.name = "p") & ~ wr.current.inContent THEN
			wr.Data(" ") (* fixes empty paragraph issue *)
		END;

Please remember: HTML and XHTML ignores sequences of space and line breaks. Multiple spaces translate to one space and line breaks ignores completely.

Sorry Josef, I have no more arguments.

-Helmut

[Ivan Denisov]

Nothing bad about <br/> tag on w3c
http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_br.asp

Paragraph is paragraph, line-break is line-break.