Quorum?

Quorum of BlackBox "center"

Poll ended at Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:35 am

10%
0
No votes
20%
0
No votes
30%
0
No votes
40%
0
No votes
50%
2
20%
60%
0
No votes
70%
6
60%
80%
1
10%
90%
0
No votes
100%
1
10%
 
Total votes: 10

Ivan Denisov
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Quorum?

Post by Ivan Denisov »

This is necessary for any community to decide the quorum. Without it we can not be sure that the voting was OK.

The results of this voting will be average of members choices rounded up to decade.
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A quorum is the minimum number of people that a committee needs in order to carry out its business officially. When a meeting has a quorum, there are at least that number of people present.
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Re: Quorum?

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Are you asking "how many participants in a vote are necessary for the vote to be binding on the center community" or "how many votes of whole the center community are necessary to decide a question"?
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Re: Quorum?

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ReneK wrote:Are you asking "how many participants in a vote are necessary for the vote to be binding on the center community" or "how many votes of whole the center community are necessary to decide a question"?
How many participants from the "centre" in a vote are necessary for the vote be valid for centre community?
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Re: Quorum?

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Ivan Denisov wrote:This is necessary for any community to decide the quorum. Without it we can not be sure that the voting was OK.

The results of this voting will be average of members choices rounded up to decade.
<--- CollinsCobuild (En-En) ---> wrote:quorum
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A quorum is the minimum number of people that a committee needs in order to carry out its business officially. When a meeting has a quorum, there are at least that number of people present.
We vote about the quorum of "committee" when the "committee" (the center in our case) isn't defined yet. Is it rational?

Now, at the first stage, we deciding about what our group is. So the quorum is ... when five members (for example) are band together to decide about the all group. And other five members (too busy now or smth else) are outside the decision process about themselves. Not at all. We must listen anyone. So this vote is meaningless now. Or this temporary first stage quorum for our group is 100%.

Or, may be, Ivan, you need this five (for example) not busy members to ride straigtforwart for voting about hosting, site, etc.?
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Re: Quorum?

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OberonCore wrote:We vote about the quorum of "committee" when the "committee" (the center in our case) isn't defined yet. Is it rational?
To answer this question we need vote. But we can not vote without a quorum.
OberonCore wrote:Now, at the first stage, we deciding about what our group is. So the quorum is ... when five members (for example) are band together to decide about the all group. And other five members (too busy now or smth else) are outside the decision process about themselves. Not at all. We must listen anyone. So this vote is meaningless now. Or this temporary first stage quorum for our group is 100%.
The quorum is necessary because I want that busy members participate in "center" work and take part in discussions. If they will know, that if they not take part in voting and discussions (not answering hot questions) the decision will not skid.
OberonCore wrote:Or, may be, Ivan, you need this five (for example) not busy members to ride straigtforwart for voting about hosting, site, etc.?
I do not want to strike with the group and "ride straigtforwart", but if, for example, 90% members wants hosting and one (wise man) are busy this week then we should order hosting. "Seven are not waiting for the one" (Russian saying). "A dollar waiting on a dime". "For one man that is missing there's no spoiling the wedding".

We can make veto system! For example, if two or more "center" members against some decision the vote stops and needs to be changed or removed.
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Results

Post by Ivan Denisov »

If valexey did not take part in this vote as Rene asked him the voting is over. 10 people has voted.

According to the results of the vote:
(100 + 80 + 70 * 6 + 50 * 2) / 10 = 70

The 70% of the "center" should take part in the voting for it to be valid and valuable.
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Re: Quorum?

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Sorry, one vote is still missing out.
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Re: Quorum?

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Of course, OberonCore is right in questioning if at this stage (with only 10 center members) a quorum can really be anything else than 100 percent. Thank you for bringing this up.

We could solve this by deciding that the question of how many members are a quorum will be effective only after we have our charta/white paper.

Another question related to this is:
How do we measure the results of a vote?

Ivan's method is "add all votes, divide by number of votes". (BTW: Alexey told me he voted 50% before he read that for now he should abstain).

Another would be "majority wins". Which would lead to the question of simple, absolute or 2/3rd majority.

The difference would be:
With Ivan's method, we currently get 72% for this vote, and nobody actually voted 72%. Further, since we are 10 members, this would mean a quorum is 8 of 10 people.
With a "majority wins" system, we'd get 70% flat, which means 7 of the current 10 members are a quorum, if we take a simple or absolute majority on this vote, and if we take a 2/3 approach, we'd have to vote again between 100, 80, 70, 60 and 50.

Is this important for now, or are there more important things to do/decide?
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Re: Quorum?

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ReneK wrote: How do we measure the results of a vote?
Another possible way to interpret the results is that the two who said that we need at least 50% would always have their requirements met whenever 70% voted. The moral of this story is that voting is meaningless if the analysis of the votes is not clearly defined at the outset.

In future I am only likely to be interested in responding to polls which
  • clearly explain the pro's and cons of each choice
  • are not a biased subset of a wider range of possible choices (e.g. the poll on version control systems)
  • define how the results are to be used
They should also include amongst the choices one or more of the following, depending on the context:
  • Abstain
  • None of the above
  • Other (with a provision to enter an alternative choice)
  • Don't care
  • Don't know
  • Don't understand
  • More information required
  • Question too vague
    etc.
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Re: Quorum?

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In future I am only likely to be interested in responding to polls which ....
So, if I understand you correctly, you say: No vote should be called, without sufficient prior discussion of the issue at hand. Right?

If so, I fully agree.

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