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1.8 todo list

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:21 pm
by luowy
1.7 is out,can we discuss the 1.8's todo list?
bugs,features and others which we want to do for 1.8 need a todo list.

Re: 1.8 todo list

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:26 am
by Ivan Denisov
IMHO It is too early to discuss all this. We have no feedback yet about 1.7.

Only thing I am sure that 1.8 should has some system for extensions control.

Re: 1.8 todo list

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:21 am
by Robert
Ivan Denisov wrote:IMHO It is too early to discuss all this.

I agree, but maybe we could start to consider categories of activity:

- Routine bug fixing, minor documentation improvements, very much as before.
- Minor additions of new features that do not risk any compatibility issues.
- More significant changes that may mean that 1.8 items (Documents, Views, ---) are not back-compatible with a 1.7 installation.
- Big ticket items, such as native Mac / Linux, 64-bit, compliance with the IEEE 754 arithmetic standard, ...
- Other ?

Controlling suggestions for the todo list I think is one of the biggest difficulties. I am sure we can all think of ideas that are individually good ideas, but collectively serve to damage the unique appeal of BlackBox; its minimalism, simplicity, and uncluttered approach. There is no point in developing another Visual Studio; it already exists.

Only thing I am sure that 1.8 should has some system for extensions control.
Well thats started the discussion!

Re: 1.8 todo list

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:01 pm
by Josef Templ
Please note:
The next version must be 1.7.1 if it is compatible with 1.7.
Only if there are major incompatibilities such as new symbol or object files or
significant library changes, it will be 1.8. We only switched from 1.6 to 1.7 because there were such
incompatibilities, for example in the fingerprint calculation of the compiler
which made many symbol files incompatible.

- Josef

Re: 1.8 todo list

PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:02 am
by DGDanforth
Robert wrote:
Ivan Denisov wrote:IMHO It is too early to discuss all this.

I agree, but maybe we could start to consider categories of activity:

- Routine bug fixing, minor documentation improvements, very much as before.
- Minor additions of new features that do not risk any compatibility issues.
- More significant changes that may mean that 1.8 items (Documents, Views, ---) are not back-compatible with a 1.7 installation.
- Big ticket items, such as native Mac / Linux, 64-bit, compliance with the IEEE 754 arithmetic standard, ...
- Other ?

Controlling suggestions for the todo list I think is one of the biggest difficulties. I am sure we can all think of ideas that are individually good ideas, but collectively serve to damage the unique appeal of BlackBox; its minimalism, simplicity, and uncluttered approach. There is no point in developing another Visual Studio; it already exists.

Only thing I am sure that 1.8 should has some system for extensions control.
Well thats started the discussion!

I agree with Robert's analysis and was going to post something similar.
We need a way to organize desired change where items belonging to the same topic are posted together.
Perhaps something like "Features desired", "Modifications desired"?
-Doug

Re: 1.8 todo list

PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 4:17 am
by Ivan Denisov
DGDanforth wrote:We need a way to organize desired change where items belonging to the same topic are posted together.
Perhaps something like "Features desired", "Modifications desired"?

IMHO it all should be done in existing forums here
viewforum.php?f=39

Re: 1.8 todo list

PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:06 pm
by Ivan Denisov
Robert wrote:
Only thing I am sure that 1.8 should has some system for extensions control.
Well thats started the discussion!


This should be done from the server side and from BlackBox side.
From server side I started project http://apps.blackboxframework.org
From BlackBox side there is module CommHttp which can download. And there is module RedInstall which can install downloaded file.
http://gitlab.molpit.org/molpit/blackbo ... ref=master
Then there should be simple text database with all installed files for easy remove.
Update will be simple remove all this files then download new extension, decode and compile.
That's it.